Mr. Shelley.

guy that was eating and he was further on over toward the west side and he was eating a sandwich so he says.
Mr. BALL. Now you say that you thought that you had seen someone had eaten fried chicken that morning?

Mr. Shelley.

I thought I had; those colored boys are always eating chicken.

Mr. Ball.

Do you think you did or do you know?

Mr. SHELLEY. I asked Charles Givens whether it was him that was eating and he said it was a sandwich.

Mr. Ball.

Was that before you went down for lunch?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes, sir; it was pretty early in the morning, about 9:30.

Mr. Ball.

Where was it?

Mr. SHELLEY. It was two-thirds across the building toward the west because I didn't put plywood over there and he didn't get too far from where we were actually working.

Mr. Ball.

After you heard these noises you said sounded like firecrackers this girl came up and said the President was shot?

Mr. Shelley.

Yeah.

Mr. Ball.

You were still standing there?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. There was still some time lapse from the time you heard the noise like a firecracker and she came up?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Then you went out across Elm?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes, to the divider.

Mr. Ball.

Between the two Elm Streets?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.
Mr. BALL. The one street dead ends and the other street that goes on down under the viaduct?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Did you run out to the point or walk out?

Mr. Shelley.

I believe we trotted out there.

Mr. Ball.

Did you stay very long?

Mr. Shelley.

Oh, it wasn't very long.

Mr. Ball.

How long?

Mr. Shelley.

Maybe a minute or two.
Mr. BALL. And that's the place you saw Truly and Baker, you say, going into the building?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes, uh-huh,
Mr. BALL. Then you went down the Elm Street that dead ends to the first railroad track?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

That's about what distance?

Mr. Shelley.

Approximately 100 yards.

Mr. Ball.

Did you trot, run or walk?

Mr. Shelley.

We were walking but it was a pretty fast walk.

Mr. Ball.

Did you stay there any length of time?

Mr. Shelley.

Not very long.

Mr. Ball.

How long would you say?

Mr. Shelley.

I wouldn't say over a minute or minute and a half.

Mr. Ball.

Then you went back to the building?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Did you trot or run back to the building?

Mr. Shelley.

We just walked back; took our good, old easy time more or less.

Mr. Ball.

Then you went into the west end?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you see Vickie Adams after you came into the building and did you see her on the first floor?

Mr. Shelley.

I sure don't remember.

Mr. Ball.

You don't.

Mr. Shelley.

No.

Mr. Ball.

Did Oswald use a clipboard?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes, sir.