Mr. Ball.

The one you push a button on?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

I believe that is the west side, isn't it?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes, I believe it is.

Mr. Ball.

Now, that's the one you took up?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Where did you take that---to what floor?

Mr. Dougherty.

I took it up to the sixth floor.

Mr. Ball.

Then what did you do?

Mr. Dougherty.

Well, when I got through getting stock off of the sixth floor, I came back down to the fifth floor.

Mr. Ball.

What did you do on the fifth floor?

Mr. Dougherty.

Well, I got some stock.

Mr. Ball.

Then what happened then?

Mr. DOUGHERTY. Well, then immediately I heard a loud noise---it sounded like a car backfiring, and I came back down to the first floor, and I asked Eddie Piper, I said, "Piper, what was that?" I says, "Has the President been shot?'. He said, "Yes."
Mr. BALL. You didn't say--did you say, 'Has the President been shot?"---you told the FBI agent that you went down to the first floor and you saw a man named Eddie Piper and asked him if he heard a loud noise.

Mr. Dougherty.

I asked him that too.

Mr. Ball.

And Piper said he had heard three loud noises and told you that somebody had Just shot the President; is that right?

Mr. Dougherty.

That's right.
Mr. BALL. Who mentioned the fact that the President had been shot first--- you or Eddie Piper?

Mr. Dougherty.

Eddie Piper.

Mr. Ball.

Did you say anything to Piper about the President being shot?

Mr. Dougherty.

No, sir.
Mr. BALL. When you talked to Eddie Piper, did you know that the President had been shot?

Mr. Dougherty.

No, sir; I didn't know that at the time.

Mr. Ball.

When is the first time you heard that the President had been shot?

Mr. Dougherty.

When Eddie told me that.

Mr. Ball.

Eddie told you that?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes.
Mr. BALL. You told Mr. Johnson of the Federal Bureau of Investigation that when you were on the fifth floor, you heard a loud noise and it appeared to have come from within the building, but you couldn't tell where you told him that on the 19th; did you tell him that?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. On the day that this happened, on the 22d of November, you told the FBI agents Ellington and Anderson that you heard "a loud explosion which sounded like a rifle shot coming from the next floor above me."
Now, did you tell them that it sounded like a rifle shot, coming from the next floor above you, or didn't you?

Mr. Dougherty.

Well; I believe I told them it sounded like a car backfiring.

Mr. Ball.

Well, did you tell them it sounded like it was from the floor above you, or didn't you tell them that?

Mr. Dougherty.

No.

Mr. Ball.

You did not tell them that?

Mr. Dougherty.

No.

Mr. Ball.

Did it sound like it came from the floor above you?

Mr. Dougherty.

Well, at the time it did---yes.
Mr. BALL. Tell me this---when you heard that explosion or whatever it was--- that loud noise, where were you on the fifth floor-tell me exactly where you were ?
Mr. DOUGHERTY. Well, I was about 10 feet from the west elevator---the west side of the elevator.

Mr. Ball.

That's the elevator that uses the push button; is that right?

Mr. Dougherty.

Yes.