Oswald as a witness, the manner in which the Commission and its counsel have conducted the interrogation of Mr. Oswald. We further appreciate the opportunity to be in Washington and to be heard, and hope that in some manner that we may assist in shedding some light that will assist this Commission in making its final report, and that the true facts of this situation will be known to the President of the United States to use at his discretion.

Mr. Dulles.

Thank you very much, Mr. McKenzie.

Mr. Jenner.

May I ask one more question?
Up until this afternoon when I questioned you, possibly there might have been a question this morning on the subject of any opinion which you might have held dealing with whether your brother did or did not participate in the shooting of Officer Tippit or the assassination of President Kennedy, had I had any conversation with you on that subject?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir; I believe you had.

Mr. Jenner.

When was that?

Mr. Oswald.

I believe this was on the first session, during the first session on Wednesday, February 20, 1964.

Mr. Jenner.

Was it in this room?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir; it was.

Mr. Jenner.

That is all I meant. I had no separate--no conversation with you on the subject other than as I might have put a question to you in the presence of the Commission.

Mr. Oswald.

That is correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Thank you.

Mr. Dulles.

And a part of the record.

Mr. Jenner.

And as part of the record; yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

We will adjourn.
(Whereupon, at 3:40 p.m., the President's Commission recessed.)

James Herbert Martin

Thursday, February 27, 1964

Testimony of James Herbert Martin

The President's Commission met 9:25 a.m, on February 27, 1964, at 200 Maryland Avenue NE., Washington, D.C.
Present were Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman; Senator John Sherman Cooper, Representative Hale Boggs, Representative Gerald R. Ford, and Allen W. Dulles, members.
Also present were J. Lee Rankin, general counsel; Norman Redlich, assistant counsel; Paul W. Leech, counsel to James Herbert Martin; Charles Murray and Charles Rhyne, observers; and Dean Robert G. Storey, special counsel to the attorney general of Texas.

The Chairman.

The Commission will be in order.
Let the record show that Mr. Martin, first that Commissioners Dulles and Ford and I are present.
Mr. Martin, the witness, is here with his lawyer; would you state your name for the record, please?

Mr. Leech.

Paul Leech.

The Chairman.

Mr. Leech, I understand you are a partner of Mr. Thorne who was here representing Mrs. Oswald.

Mr. Leech.

Yes, sir.

The Chairman.

Gentlemen, I will just read an opening statement to you that we make for the record and for the benefit of the witness each time we convene.
On November 29, 1963, President Lyndon B. Johnson issued Executive Order No. 11130 appointing a Commission "to ascertain, evaluate and report upon the