Mr. Statman.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Back to the State of Texas?

Mr. Statman.

Back to the State of Texas. You see, he could have started his claim in Texas and moved to New Orleans and that would have gone from an intrastate claim to an interstate claim. I had trouble with that FBI man on that.

Mr. Jenner.

You did?

Mr. Statman.

Well, I mean, it can be confusing, because each State has their own set of regulations, and actually, we have an interstate unit in Austin that pays claims from people outside of Texas who are filing against Texas, and we also have interstate claims the other way. We have people who have earned their wage credits in New York and are living here in Dallas, so, when they file a claim, they are filing an interstate claim against New York. You see, what has happened, this originated--this interstate claim filed against Texas, and when he returned to Texas it became an intrastate.

Mr. Jenner.

Does that cover that side of the Card?

Mr. Statman.

That covers everything. So, according to this, it would indicate that he filed, now, you notice he had no signatures here. We have these individuals, when they come to our office, sign their names once, because they sign their individual cards, and we want to compare their each weekly signature with a card here to make sure that the person who is signing this claim for unemployment insurance is the one that filed the card.

Mr. Jenner.

Whose signature appears on the inside of the card when folded?

Mr. Statman.

Right; you see, here we had not his signature because he was in New Orleans.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, when you say "here" you are referring to lines I through 12, isn't that correct?

Mr. Statman.

I through 13. In other words, in the space for remarks, 1 through 13, his signature does not appear.

Mr. Jenner.

If he were here in Texas when those claims were made, his signature would appear on each of those lines?

Mr. Statman.

No; just one time.

Mr. Jenner.

At the top--meaning line 1?

Mr. Statman.

No; at different offices--some offices make them sign it every time he goes in. Again, it's redundant. Actually, all you want is a true signature to compare the continued claim card he signs each week, to make sure this individual's signature checks. Then, when he came in on 10-10-63 he signed this card in our office, to establish a signature for us to be able to check future documents with.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, and to pay him any balance due on his claim, or had it been paid out by that time?

Mr. Statman.

Well, he drew, actually, I can't tell you how much money he drew, because of a lot of times an individual might file for his unemployment and for some reason or another he might be ineligible so he won't get any money. These records do not indicate the amount of money he has collected. You will have to get that out of Austin--the chief of the insurance claims.

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. Davis is an expert at that and anyhow it is his home town. Is that right, Mr. Davis?

Mr. Davis.

That's right.

Mr. Statman.

In other words, I could go in and file for my unemployment and they might have phoned me for a job Wednesday and I said, "My wife is working and I have got to stay here with my kids," and I wasn't able and available for work that week. So, even though I filed for a claim that week, I would be ineligible, so just the mere signing of these cards would not indicate the payment to an individual.

Mr. Jenner.

You have been extremely helpful.

Mr. Statman.

I hope so. I hope I didn't confuse you too much.

Mr. Jenner.

You didn't confuse us at all.

Mr. Statman.

Now, do you want to keep all of those records?

Mr. Jenner.

Oh, yes; very much so. I offer the three documents in evidence as Cunningham Exhibits Nos. 1, 2, and 3, respectively. [The original copies of the cards marked Cunningham Exhibits Nos. 1, 2, and 3 are in evidence as Cunningham Exhibits Nos. l-A, 2-A, and 3-A.]