Mr. Liebeler.

from the last time Oswald came into your office to the last time you saw him in the street handing out literature?

Mr. Andrews.

I would say about 6 weeks, just guessing.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you have never seen the Mexican at any other time since then?

Mr. Andrews.

No. He just couldn't have disappeared because the Mexican community here is pretty small. You can squeeze it pretty good, the Latin community. He is not known around here.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you made an attempt to find him since the assassination?

Mr. Andrews.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you haven't had any success?

Mr. Andrews.

No. Not too many places they can go not being noticed.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was there anybody else with Oswald that day you saw him handing out literature?

Mr. Andrews.

Oh, people standing there with him. Whether they were with him or not, I wouldn't know.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did it appear that there was anybody else helping him hand out literature?

Mr. Andrews.

There was one person, but they had no literature. They weren't giving anything out. Let me see that picture of that little bitty guy, that weasel before.

Mr. Liebeler.

[handing picture to witness]. This is Bringuier Exhibit No. 1.

Mr. Andrews.

No; he resembled this boy, but it is not him. It is a pale face instead of a Latin.

Mr. Liebeler.

When you talked to Oswald on the street that day, did he give you any idea who was paying him to hand this stuff out?

Mr. Andrews.

No; he just said, "It's a job."

Mr. Liebeler.

My understanding is, of course, that you are here under subpena and subpena duces tecum, asking you to bring with you any records that you might have in your office indicating or reflecting Oswald's visit, and my understanding is that you indicated that you were unable to find any such records.

Mr. Andrews.

Right. My office was rifled shortly after I got out of the hospital, and I talked with the FBI people. We couldn't find anything prior to it. Whoever was kind enough to mess my office up, going through it, we haven't found anything since.

Mr. Liebeler.

You have caused a thorough search to be made of your office for these records?

Mr. Andrews.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

You haven't been able to come up with anything?

Mr. Andrews.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did there come a time after the assassination when you had some further involvement with Oswald, or at least an apparent involvement with Oswald; as I understand it?

Mr. Andrews.

No; nothing at all with Oswald. I was in Hotel Dieu, and the phone rang and a voice I recognized as Clay Bertrand asked me if I would go to Dallas and Houston--I think--Dallas, I guess, wherever it was that this boy was being held--and defend him. I told him I was sick in the hospital. If I couldn't go, I would find somebody that could go.

Mr. Liebeler.

You told him you were sick in the hospital and what?

Mr. Andrews.

That's where I was when the call came through. It came through the hospital switchboard. I said that I wasn't in shape enough to go to Dallas and defend him and I would see what I could do.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now what can you tell us about this Clay Bertrand? You met him prior to that time?

Mr. Andrews.

I had seen Clay Bertrand once some time ago, probably a couple of years. He's the one who calls in behalf of gay kids normally, either to obtain bond or parole for them. I would assume that he was the one that originally sent Oswald and the gay kids, these Mexicanos, to the office because I had never seen those people before at all. They were just walk-ins.

Mr. Liebeler.

You say that you think you saw Clay Bertrand some time about 2 years prior to the time you received this telephone call that you have just told us about?