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Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. XIII - Page 183« Previous | Next »

(Testimony of A. M. Eberhardt)

Mr. Griffin.
any changes or corrections that you would like to make, I wish you would tell me and we can straighten up the record on this.
I began talking with Mr. Eberhardt about how the FBI happened to interview him on December 20, 1963, and he indicated that he believed that it was a result of finding his telephone number in one of Jack Ruby's notebooks or on a scrap of paper. Mr. Eberhardt told me that he had changed his telephone number and that the number which was actually in Jack's phone book was not the number that he had now. The reason for the change was that, out in Seagoville, the telephone company became a member or a part of the regular Dallas dialing district, and all of the telephone numbers in Seagoville were changed, although there was no actual physical change of any telephone. He also stated to me that he had come t.o know Jack Ruby in connection with his work on the police force, that while he was a member of the vice squad and while he has been with the burglary and theft division of the police department, he has had occasion to visit Ruby's nightclubs. Now, he said that, since he has been with burglary and theft, which has been since early 1962, that he saw--went into Ruby's place almost every night when he was on the night shift, and I asked him when he was last on the night shift, and he stated that he was on the night Shift the month of October. Mr. Eberhardt also----
Mr. Eberhardt.
That is going to be wrong.
Mr. Griffin.
All right. Speak to the reporter.
Mr. Eberhardt.
I am just trying to think. I told--I was working 3 to 11 when the President got killed.
Mr. Griffin.
Yes.
Mr. Eberhardt.
So that would be my night shift.
Mr. Griffin.
Now, during which shift did you go in to Ruby's club?
Mr. Eberhardt.
I would be working 3 to 11 shift in November, the month that the President got killed, but I hadn't seen him in November, and I had worked days in October and I hadn't seen him in October, so it would be August when I would have been up there.
Mr. Griffin.
Would it be September?
Mr. Eberhardt.
September. I was working 3 to 11 when the President got killed, because I was home and heard it on television and came on to work.
Mr. Griffin.
All right. Now, did you ever visit Jack's clubs on a social basis?
Mr. Eberhardt.
Yes.
Mr. Griffin.
And how frequently would you visit them on a social basis?
Mr. Eberhardt.
In the 5 years I knew him, I was at the Vegas Club about three times with my wife.
Mr. Griffin.
How about the Carousel Club?
Mr. Eberhardt.
We went up there once and she wouldn't ever go back. She wanted to see what it was like.
Mr. Griffin.
How recently before the President was killed had you been in the Vegas or Carousel Club?
Mr. Eberhardt.
Socially?
Mr. Griffin.
Yes.
Mr. Eberhardt.
It had been a long time, over a year.
Mr. Griffin.
And to continue dictating what Detective Eberhardt told me, he stated that he regarded Jack Ruby as a source of information in connection with his investigatory activities. I asked him in particular whether he remembered any instances when Jack had been a source of such information, and he stated that at one time Jack reported to him a female employee of his whom he believed had been forging checks and also thought might be a source of narcotics or drugs of some sort, and as a result of the information which Ruby provided, a charge was filed against this girl.
Now, do you remember the name of the girl?
Mr. Eberhardt.
Not her true name. We handed her over to the forgery bureau. She had some dangerous drugs. She was up under the name of [deletion]. She never came back. We arrested her out of the club.
Mr. Griffin.
How long ago was that?
Mr. Eberhardt.
That was when I was working vice. Three years.
Mr. Griffin.
And you also stated that he informed on a fellow by the name
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