Mrs. Carlin.

No

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember a man that stayed there and slept on the premises?

Mrs. Carlin.

No; I don't know of anyone that did. Andrew was the only one I knew that ever spent the night there, and that was just because he would say so the next evening. He said, "I am tired." Said, "I had to stay here all night."

Mr. Hubert.

I might add that this man Larry's full name was Curtis Laverne Crafard.

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes. That was a little young boy, the one that worked the lights.

Mr. Hubert.

He stayed on the premises?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes. But he stayed next door most of the time. I know he was sleeping there for a while, but Jack put a stop to it.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean Jack wouldn't let him sleep in the club?

Mrs. Carlin.

Jack didn't like him sleeping there, because there was too many things gone.

Mr. Hubert.

Then he made him go next door?

Mrs. Carlin.

He went next door. I don't know who was next door or what it was next door, but he went next door.

Mr. Hubert.

But what you heard was that this man had, Crafard, Curtis Laverne Crafard had been staying on the premises, but that Jack had put a stop to it and made him move to some place next door, but you don't know which next door?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Who did you hear this from?

Mrs. Carlin.

It was from Larry. He was taking care of the dogs or something.

Mr. Hubert.

He told you he had to move out?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Out of the premises altogether?

Mrs. Carlin.

No. He Just said, "I am going to have to move. I can't stay here. I don't know where I am going to get the money, but I am going to have to move."

Mr. Hubert.

That must have happened just before the assassination of the President?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes. After that I didn't see Larry no more.

Mr. Hubert.

So to your knowledge he never did actually move, but Just said he was going to have to move, and he informed you that Jack had told him he would have to move?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Jackson.

When you say move, you mean move out at night and not sleep there?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

That is what I meant, to move next door, I think is what you meant?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now coming to the event of November 22, where were you? Do you recall when you heard about the shooting of the President?

Mrs. Carlin.

At home.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you hear it, on TV?

Mrs. Carlin.

Television. No; I take that back. The first I heard was when I got the telephone call.

Mr. Hubert.

Who did you receive a telephone call from?

Mrs. Carlin.

Andrew.

Mr. Hubert.

Armstrong?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What did he tell you, do you remember?

Mrs. Carlin.

He just said that the President had been shot and we weren't going to open, that we would open the next night, and I hung up.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, it would be closed on Friday, but open on Saturday?

Mrs. Carlin.

Yes.