Mr. Hubert.

Did you see him talk to any of the police that were stationed along there?

Mr. Richey.

No, sir; I didn't see him talk to anyone.

Mr. Hubert.

You said that the second time was about 10 o'clock?

Mr. Richey.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Is there any way in which you fix that time?

Mr. Richey.

No, sir; not really. Well, it was about the time that we thought they were to bring Oswald out. I think they told us it would be about 10 o'clock. It was in that time period that we were sort of looking for them to bring him out.

Mr. Hubert.

Judging from the time that Oswald was actually shot or measuring from that time backward, could you tell us how long it was from the time Oswald was shot, backward until you saw Ruby; or to put it another way, how much time elapsed from the last time you saw Ruby until Oswald was shot?

Mr. Richey.

It was an hour or better.

Mr. Hubert.

Now can you tell us when was the very first time you associated that man that you have just described as having seen at 8 o'clock and again at 10, or a little better, with Jack Ruby?

Mr. Richey.

It was that night when I saw the rerun of the tape that was made. And when I saw him, it looked like the same man that was dressed differently, to me.

Mr. Hubert.

Now did the reruns show his face?

Mr. Richey.

Not too good.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever see any mug shots?

Mr. Richey.

I saw still shots.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you see those?

Mr. Richey.

The next day, I believe; whenever the papers came out. It was the pictures in the Dallas Herald, I believe, the big full-page picture.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know Ira N. Walker?

Mr. Richey.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he on duty on the same truck with you that day?

Mr. Richey.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And I think Mr.----

Mr. Richey.

Johnny Smith.

Mr. Hubert.

Johnny Smith was too?

Mr. Richey.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall being in the company of them and seeing mug shots relatively shortly after the shooting of Oswald on TV?

Mr. Richey.

No, sir; I didn't see those. They were in the truck where they could see the pictures, but I was out on top of the truck.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you aware that they had seen the Ruby mug shots and had associated them with the man that they had seen?

Mr. Richey.

I don't know. I don't believe.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, when you saw the rerun, you independently reached the opinion that it was Jack Ruby?

Mr. Richey.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

It was not suggested to you by the fact that Walker and Smith had seen mug shots right after the shooting?

Mr. Richey.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't know that they had seen the shots?

Mr. Richey.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now have you seen Jack Ruby since?

Mr. Richey.

Not in person; no, sir. I have seen pictures, newsreels, but I haven't seen him actually.

Mr. Hubert.

You have seen pictures of him in the newspapers?

Mr. Richey.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Newsreel films?

Mr. Richey.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

What is your opinion now as to whether or not the man that you have described that you saw twice on November 24, at about 8 and then again about 10 on Commerce Street is or is not the man that you now know from having seen pictures and so forth, as Jack Ruby?