Mr. Crafard.

That of boss and employee.

Mr. Hubert.

You never observed anything else?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

She was with him a lot, though, personally?

Mr. Crafard.

She would talk with him around the club that I could see. She would talk with Jack.

Mr. Hubert.

Didn't she go out to dinner with him?

Mr. Crafard.

To my knowledge, no.

Mr. Hubert.

Some time?

Mr. Crafard.

She might have. I heard Jack make the remark at one time that he had been involved with every one of the girls that worked for him at one time.

Mr. Hubert.

You heard him say that?

Mr. Crafard.

He made the remark to me, because of one of the waitresses worked for him was a real sweet-looking girl and she had a real wonderful personality.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was that?

Mr. Crafard.

Marge, that is the only name I know her by, I don't know her last name.

Mr. Hubert.

She was a stripper?

Mr. Crafard.

She was a waitress.

Mr. Hubert.

So what about Marge?

Mr. Crafard.

How is that?

Mr. Hubert.

What about Marge?

Mr. Crafard.

I said something, going out with her or something and he made the statement that he had had a relationship with everyone of the girls who worked for him.

Mr. Hubert.

When you say relationship or when he said it, you did understand him to refer to sexual relationship?

Mr. Crafard.

Sexual relationship.

Mr. Hubert.

There can be no doubt about that?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you infer from that remark of his relative to the remark you had made about your interest in Marge?

Mr. Crafard.

Well, it would--my remark had been on the sexual basis.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, did you regard that as sort of a consent on his part for you to go ahead?

Mr. Crafard.

No. He didn't want me to go, to have anything to do with any of the girls that worked for him.

Mr. Hubert.

So that in effect he was telling you that he was the one who was to have the sexual relationships with the girls and not anyone else?

Mr. Crafard.

That is about the effect of it.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he say it as clearly as that?

Mr. Crafard.

No; he didn't say it in so many words, but just an implied statement.

Mr. Hubert.

That is the meaning you got out of that colloquy, is that right?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you tell us as best you can remember what the conversation was?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't know. I said something about I would like to get ahold of that or something, and Jack said, he said, he had already gotten into it or something like that, and something said about his girls, and I said so far as I am concerned-- -at that time it was a little later after I went to work for him--I said, "As far as I am concerned you haven't got a stripper I am interested in," and he said, "I have had a relationship with every one of them."

Mr. Griffin.

Did you think Jack was puffing on that or did you believe him?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't know. As far as the strippers went I can very well believe that but the waitresses it was pretty hard to believe because little Marge, she ended up marrying a guy, and she was pretty stiff on him, and in fact, so much that I have tried everything I could to get her even to go out with me and she wouldn't do it. And the other girls didn't seem too much to me like the type that would do so.