Mr. Crafard.

I rode in the front seat with them. They were driving the car.

Mr. Hubert.

What?

Mr. Crafard.

I rode in the front seat with them.

Mr. Hubert.

The three of you in the front?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, they had stuff in the back seat.

Mr. Hubert.

And I understood you to say that they d4dn't tell you their names at all?

Mr. Crafard.

They give me their name, but I don't remember it.

Mr. Hubert.

But that they were going to visit some relatives in Oklahoma City?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes. They was visiting his dad.

Mr. Hubert.

His father. And that would have been around 6:30 or 7 at night?

Mr. Crafard.

Right around there; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you have lunch?

Mr. Crafard.

We stopped along the road at a cafe and had lunch.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you stop on the road with the couple or with that friend?

Mr. Crafard.

With the couple.

Mr. Hubert.

You paid for your own lunch?

Mr. Crafard.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

That I think was your first expenditure on the trip?

Mr. Crafard.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

How much did that cost you?

Mr. Crafard.

Maybe $1, a dollar and a half.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you pay for their lunch?

Mr. Crafard.

No; they paid for their own.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, what did you do then?

Mr. Crafard.

They let me out. I hitchhiked on up to Michigan.

Mr. Hubert.

Did they leave you in downtown?

Mr. Crafard.

No; they took me out to the edge of town to hitch a ride.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it in the direction they were going?

Mr. Crafard.

They dropped by there, by his dad's place, and we sat there and we each had a cup of coffee and he took me out to the edge of town.

Mr. Hubert.

So you met his dad too?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't know what street that was on?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't know the name of the people?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Was there anybody else there besides the father?

Mr. Crafard.

There was the father and one son that was at home.

Mr. Hubert.

An adult son?

Mr. Crafard.

He was in school I understand.

Mr. Hubert.

How old a boy was he?

Mr. Crafard.

He must have been about 16 or 17.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you stay there?

Mr. Crafard.

We was there maybe a half an hour.

Mr. Hubert.

And had coffee?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

No supper?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Then they took you from there to a spot on the highway on the other side of Oklahoma City--that is, on the north side did they?

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

And dropped you off for your next hitch?

Mr. Crafard.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

How long a drive was it to get you there?

Mr. Crafard.

Oh, maybe about 4 or 5 miles.

Mr. Hubert.

Miles you say?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

The man and his wife or just the man?