(Testimony of Curtis Laverne Crafard Resumed)
Mr. Crafard.
If Jack did?
Mr. Hubert.
Do you remember him doing it?
Mr. Crafard.
I can remember him placing, trying to place a call to Earl one day and he couldn't make it and he arranged a call for the next day. But I don't know if this was the incident or not.
Mr. Hubert.
What this simply means is that you were to remind him of it?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Hubert.
That was then your function with respect to it?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you recall Jack ever mentioning or did you ever hear anything about the Triangle Manufacturing Co.
Mr. Crafard.
I don't recall it, sir.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you recall if Jack had any dealings with any people in Wisconsin?
Mr. Crafard.
Not that I know of, sir.
Mr. Griffin.
I am going to turn over to the back of page 5. There is a name written at the top of the back of page 5. What name is that?
Mr. Crafard.
Jerry Lindsay.
Mr. Griffin.
Who is Jerry Lindsay?
Mr. Crafard.
He called in wanting a job. He had been a floorman in another club and he called in asking about a job at the Carousel Club.
Mr. Griffin.
What is a floorman?
Mr. Crafard.
A polite way of saying bouncer.
Mr. Griffin.
Did Jack employ a bouncer while you were there?
Mr. Crafard.
No, sir.
Mr. Griffin.
Did you ever talk to Jack about why he did or did not, why he didn't have a bouncer?
Mr. Crafard.
No, sir.
Mr. Griffin.
Was there any need for a bouncer?
Mr. Crafard.
No, sir; not the Carousel Club. This would have been in connection with the Vegas Club, I believe.
Mr. Griffin.
Was there a tougher crowd at the Vegas Club?
Mr. Crafard.
They had sometimes some pretty tough crowds out there on weekend nights. People would get drunk and start giving them trouble. The floorman would talk to the man trying to get him to quiet and if he wouldn't be quiet he would escort him to the door.
Mr. Griffin.
The Vegas Club didn't have stripteasers did it?
Mr. Crafard.
No.
Mr. Griffin.
Yet there was a tougher crowd there at the Vegas.
Mr. Crafard.
Yes.
Mr. Griffin.
Why was that?
Mr. Crafard.
The type of crowd that frequented the clubs, the Carousel Club and the other burlesque shows in town was the businessmen more than anything, whereas the Vegas Club's clientele was more or less common laborers, working people. It was a dance club where you could go in and buy beer, soft drinks and you could dance, and the clientele there was of the rougher nature.
Mr. Griffin.
I was a little bit confused in your testimony yesterday.
Was it your impression that Jack was doing better financially off the Vegas than off the Carousel?
Mr. Crafard.
Definitely; yes.
Mr. Griffin.
And you say that with positiveness? What makes you so positive about that?
Mr. Crafard.
Two or three different times Jack said if it wasn't for the Vegas Club he would have had to close the Carousel down a long time before. The Vegas Club was making enough money to keep the Carousel and the Vegas both running.
Mr. Griffin.
Why do you think he kept the Carousel open?
Mr. Crafard.
I don't know, sir. There had been a stretch where I guess he had had pretty bad luck with the Carousel, hadn't been making much money and he used the money he made from the Vegas Club to keep the Carousel going at that time from what I understood.
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