Mrs. Rich.

a sudden, boom, the reservations are made then and there, I think that is a pretty good assumption.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, those are the facts that you observed upon which you base the assumptions that you have made.

Mrs. Rich.

That is correct. And the big sigh of relief, so to speak, afterwards.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, did you then ask about your portion of the money?

Mrs. Rich.

At that time it was to be decided, as I say, among the bigwigs. I had asked for $25,000.

Mr. Hubert.

Was that before Ruby came in?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes; in fact it was Just a few minutes before he knocked on the door. They decided they did not know, and they were going to have a meeting-there were some other people involved higher up than they were. They would have to talk it over with them. At that time I had it in my mind I would go ahead and play ball--and I was stalling when I asked for the $25,000--that I would notify the Federal authorities. As I say, bringing the refugees out is one thing. Running in guns is another thing, for a Communist country which at that time it was.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did that meeting last?

Mrs. Rich.

They were still going when we left. And we were there about 2 1/2 hours.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean you and your husband?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Dave remained behind?

Mrs. Rich.

He remained. Well, actually at that point business was over, and it just became a party. Neither my husband nor I drink, so we left.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you leave it with them? Who was going to make the next move?

Mrs. Rich.

We were to be notified as to the time and place of the next meeting and as to the decision on upping the ante, so to speak.

Mr. Hubert.

They did not reject your offer of $25,000?

Mrs. Rich.

It was to be discussed.

Mr. Hubert.

$10,000 was all right.

Mrs. Rich.

Yes; $10,000 was offered.

Mr. Hubert.

$25,000, which was your counter offer, had to be discussed.

Mrs. Rich.

That's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

And they told you they would discuss that and let you know.

Mrs. Rich.

With some other people that were higher up.

Mr. Hubert.

They told you they were higher up?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes; the colonel said that they were higher up. I do not know the exact words.

Mr. Hubert.

What happened then?

Mrs. Rich.

I think his exact words were something like "I will discuss it with my bosses."

Mr. Hubert.

What happened after that?

Mrs. Rich.

Well, about 3 or 4 days later we were told there was going to be another meeting to attend. Dave came over and told us. And we went. And----

Mr. Hubert.

What happened at that meeting? First of all, who was there? How did you go?

Mrs. Rich.

My husband and I.

Mr. Hubert.

You went in your car?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What kind of a car did you have?

Mrs. Rich.

At that time I believe we had a 1956 blue and white Ford, if I am not mistaken.

Mr. Hubert.

What license plate?

Mrs. Rich.

Texas.

Mr. Hubert.

Under the name of Perrin?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. So you went with your husband. This was the third visit. Same place?

Mrs. Rich.

Same place.

Mr. Hubert.

Same apartment?