Mrs. Grant.

That's right--he has that--he does have that--that's his greatest.

Mr. Hubert.

Jack never married, did he?

Mrs. Grant.

No; he was engaged to a young lady here.

Mr. Hubert.

What generally was his attitude toward women; do you know?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, in his late life I think he was sort of a playboy myself, but in his early life he wanted to get married. There were several individuals he had a great love for and the trouble is, he picked on women who were of means and he couldn't give them what they wanted. He could tell from the way they were reared or their attitude, and how they expressed themselves when they get married--what they wanted, and I think it sort of cooled him toward making it. He liked women. He was a real man.

Mr. Hubert.

I understood he took good care of himself physically?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

In the sense that he .took physical exercise regularly?

Mrs. Grant.

And the truth is, he has a great sympathy for women who are left with hardships and maybe it started with me or my mother--if they have to work and do a lot of things--it was in the back of his mind.

Mr. Hubert.

Jack didn't drink very much, did he?

Mrs. Grant.

He didn't drink a fifth of liquor a year. When we went out, we ordered two drinks, I would drink mine and have to drink two-thirds of his. Then, we were ashamed to sit there and he would order it again--not that I'm such a big drinker, but that's what he did.

Mr. Hubert.

What about smoking--he didn't smoke either, did he?

Mrs. Grant.

I don't remember but once he had a cigar in his mouth, a couple of years ago at a party and maybe he had three or four cigarettes in his life, that I know of.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you and he have any difficulties about the girl that he was going out with one time and I think Rabbi Silverman had to kind of intervene?

Mrs. Grant.

That he was going with? That wasn't it--it wasn't about a gift.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, you did have a disagreement?

Mrs. Grant.

A very big disagreement early this summer of 1963--it was in the early part of the summer. It was over money. He had $800 or $900 and he wanted to pay bills and somebody encountered him who needed their car fixed or something and I think he paid for the car and he didn't pay the electric bills, and when he went to jail in November--3 months of the Carousel's bill on the electric company wasn't paid and it ran almost $800 or $900 for 3 months.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the particular argument about then--that he had loaned some money to someone?

Mrs. Grant.

No; it was not the first occasion only--this one that's the time that I blew my top and I had been sick--I have been in very bad physical condition and he wanted me to get out of the club, and Leo Torti who worked for us on weekends told him that I was having a difficult time and I should be in the hospital and he said, "I gave you money to go to the hospital," and he gave me a push and I had just got some new high heeled shoes and I went back about 8 feet and I hurt my arm and my shoulder and he wanted me out of the Vegas Club.

Mr. Hubert.

Whose car did he have repaired with the money you thought he should have used for the lights?

Mrs. Grant.

Some family man--he does that--I haven't the least idea and I don't think he did either.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you find out it was used to repair someone's car?

Mrs. Grant.

Some man come in my club weeks later and says, "Your brother was in," and I didn't even know this man's business, and he said he works there as a car mechanic and he says, "He got someone's car out of hock," so I figured maybe it was his car--I didn't think of it.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was that man, do you know?

Mrs. Grant.

Some customer at the Vegas Club--if I saw him, I would know him.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't remember his name?

Mrs. Grant.

No; but I knew his appearances. He was one like the regulars who come about every month one time.

Mrs. Grant.

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