Mr. Burleson.

What is, in your opinion, Jack's present condition?

Mrs. Grant.

I believe he is mentally deranged, inasmuch as I'm not a doctor, but from what he says to me.

Mr. Burleson.

You have now, as of this moment, been informed by a newspaper and also by me about what Jack attempted to do today?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; I have.

Mr. Burleson.

And you were informed and knew of what Jack had attempted to do about a month ago when he rammed his head up against the wall, were you not?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes.

Mr. Burleson.

What has Jack told you as to what you should do with and to yourself?

Mrs. Grant.

He wants me to do away with myself.

Mr. Burleson.

Does he give you a mason why?

Mrs. Grant.

He thinks they are going to kill out all the Jews and he has made remarks that 25 million Jews have been slaughtered.

Mr. Burleson.

Already?

Mrs. Grant.

On the floor below.

Mr. Burleson.

And they are being slaughtered where?

Mrs. Grant.

In the jail and sometimes it's planes going over and they are dropping bombs on the Jews.

Mr. Burleson.

Has he told you about hearing or seeing Jews boiled in oil?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Burleson.

And has he told you about seeing or hearing his brother, Earl, being dismembered?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; and his children.

Mr. Burleson.

And Earl's children, and by dismembered, he has seen them cut off?

Mrs. Grant.

Arms and legs--they are cut off.

Mr. Burleson.

Does he, nearly every time you talk to him, ask you to check on them, when is the last time?

Mrs. Grant.

I have to sort of tell real lies, that I just got through talking with Sam and Earl and with Eileen and with Sam and everything is OK.

Mr. Burleson.

Because he says that they have been doing this to them?

Mrs. Grant.

He says many times he has seen Sam on the second floor and the rabbi was going--yesterday, they took the rabbi, sometimes they take Stanley.

Mr. Burleson.

That's Stanley Kaufman you are talking about?

Mrs. Grant.

Stanley Kaufman.

Mr. Burleson.

In other words, Jack just doesn't make sense when you talk to him?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh no; then sometimes he will say one thing that will be all right and then he goes off into this stuff.

Mr. Burleson.

Has Jack told you that he was actually tried for the killing of president Kennedy?

Mrs. Grant.

No; but he thinks that they think that he killed the President.

Mr. Burleson.

Did he tell you that what he went through with was not really a trial, but a farce?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes.

Mr. Burleson.

And part of a play?

Mrs. Grant.

In fact; his verdict is on the 14th and the next day he says to me in front of Eileen, "When will the trial be?

Mr. Burleson.

Did he say it wasn't really Judge Brown that was up there but somebody else?

Mrs. Grant.

That's exactly what he said.

Mr. Burleson.

Did he tell you anything about their introducing evidence in his absence?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes.

Mr. Burleson.

And that evidence that they were supposed to have introduced is the fact that he killed President Kennedy?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, he just thinks they are blaming him for it and they think he did it and they are going to take it out on all the Jews.