Mr. Griffin.

But is that your best recollection of the time, or would you now alter your estimate of what time it was?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe that I said yesterday it was about. 6 or 6:30 when he came back to the club, I am not sure. I would say between 6:30 and 7:30 would be about the best estimate I might give on it.

Mr. Griffin.

What makes you make that estimate?

Mr. Crafard.

If I remember right, 8 o'clock I was sitting in the drugstore eating lunch, approximately 8 o'clock.

Mr. Griffin.

How do you recall being at the drugstore at 8 o'clock?

Mr. Crafard.

The one gift that works over there goes off at 8 o'clock and she left while I was there.

Mr. Griffin.

So, actually, you got to the drugstore some time before 8 o'clock?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And by that time Jack Ruby had already returned to the club and asked you to accompany him to Eva Grant's?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack mention to you at that time anything about going to the synagogue?

Mr. Crafard.

No; not that I can remember. On the third paragraph on page 151, I believe yesterday I gave an earlier time for this same event of Jack calling me at the club on the morning of November 23.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, the language you are referring to is on Saturday morning, November 23, at about 5:30 a.m., Ruby called him and told him to meet him downstairs with the Polaroid camera and some film.

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; I believe yesterday that the time I gave was about 2 hours earlier than this.

Mr. Griffin.

What is your best recollection now as to the time? Was your memory more accurate at the time you told the FBI about this episode or is it more accurate now after having spent 2 days discussing the matter?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe in the trial in Texas it came out pretty well to where it just about had to be between 4:30 and 5 when he called.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Mr. Crafard.

At the trial, there was quite a bit of questioning on this effect.

Mr. Griffin.

Of you?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes. And I believe the different times that some of the previous witnesses had given the lawyer, and I come to the agreement it must have been about between 4:30 and 5 o'clock that he called me.

Mr. Hubert.

What is your best recollection now? That is what we want to get.

Mr. Griffin.

Let's disregard what other people have told you to suggest what the time is, and try to think about your own activities. As I recall, you testified that you talked for 2 or 3 hours with a girl on the telephone.

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And then you read for a while, and then you apparently started to doze off, to go to sleep.

Mr. Crafard.

I believe the other time, the time element I used yesterday would be more of a correct time than this.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us just your recollection right now today.

Mr. Crafard.

I would say between about 3:30 and 4:30.
In the same paragraph further down, closer towards the bottom. "When he got to the car, George, Ruby's roommate, was also there and they drove out on the Stemmons Freeway." I believe in this testimony here the Stemmons Freeway was more of a suggested name to me than anything else. I would like to dearly state I am definitely not positive of that sign.

Mr. Griffin.

I believe you testified also yesterday that it was the Central Expressway.

Mr. Crafard.

Yes. I believe it was on the Central Expressway.
Referring to page 152 of this testimony, and back to previous testimony, I have made here concerning the mention of the name of Lee Harvey Oswald, I believe that this would be about the first time that we used the name of Oswald, was used very much among us. Previous to this, I don't believe there was any reference made to this person by name.