Mr. Griffin.

Before you worked for the Board of Local Improvements did you have any government or city or political jobs before that?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I am telling you that was it.

Mr. Griffin.

That was the first one. The Board of Local Improvements was the first one?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No, the Board of Review.

Mr. Griffin.

So you worked for the Illinois Commerce Commission in 1932, you worked far the Board of Local Improvements--

Mr. Rubenstein.

About 1930, and 1929 or 1928, I believe I worked for the Board of Review.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, between approximately 1922 when you got out of school and 1928 what did you do during that period?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Worked as a cab driver, worked in a drugstore. I went on the road as a salesman in 1925.

Mr. Griffin.

Who did you sell for?

Mr. Rubenstein.

The Plymouth Rubber Co. of Canton, Mass.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you sell?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Rubber heels to shoemakers.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did you travel?

Mr. Rubenstein.

All over the United States.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you do that?

Mr. Rubenstein.

A couple of years, I think.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you happen to leave that job?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I was a missionary man. They broke me in, they tried to make a salesman out of me and they did, because I done a good job for them and I worked hard. I liked it, I liked it for two reasons. Traveling and selling and when you can sell you felt like a moral victory, you felt that you had a station in life, something to do. The job just ended. I covered the territory they wanted me to cover. I went from Chicago to the west coast, Vancouver, Canada, all over the west coast, all through the Middle West. I don't think I covered--no, never went south. I didn't go south, no. We didn't cover it. We just covered the west, kept on going west and west and over to the west coast and up to Vancouver.

Mr. Grififn.

Let's now shift the focus a little bit and rather talk about yourself. Now let me ask you some questions about your family, your early family life.
Was there any discussion in your home as a child of the background of your parents--where they had come from, what they had done before they had come to this country?

Mr. Rubenstein.

My father was a soldier in the Russian Army for about 7 years. If you know the history of the Russian people, one member of each family must serve, one member. My father was elected to serve.

Mr. Griffin.

Let's just talk about your father for a minute. As you understand it where was your father born?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Sokolov, a small town outside of Warsaw.

Mr. Griffin.

What kind of family did he come from, do you have any idea?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Very nice family, good reputation. His father before him was a carpenter, his brother Abraham was a carpenter. Very well respected.

Mr. Griffin.

How many brothers and sisters did he have?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know, I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Did any of his family come to the United States other than him?

Mr. Rubenstein.

His brother.

Mr. Griffin.

Abraham? When did Abraham come?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Before or after your father?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I think after.

Mr. Griffin.

Is Abraham still alive?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Does he have a family that is still living?