Mr. Hubert.

So the keys were in a box on a string or something?

Mr. Goin.

On a keyboard in the office.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you all enter the office prior to the arrival of Mr. Fleming, or after?

Mr. Goin.

I can't really tell you that.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you do, or what did the others do then? First of all, you got the keys, and the next thing that happened was what?

Mr. Goin.

I believe we got the trucks and prepared to leave. There was a little delay in some phone calls, I don't remember, by Mr. Hall or Mr. Fleming. I can't really say what was involved. I remember Mr. Dietrich now waiting a while.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you give us an estimate of how much time elapsed between the time you arrived at the terminal and the time you began to move to the city jail?

Mr. Goin.

Probably a half hour, I should say, possibly. I don't recall. I haven't put any thought on this, I am sorry.

Mr. Hubert.

Was there any difficulty in starting either of the two trucks?

Mr. Goin.

Yes; there was. Let's see, I believe truck no. 46 had a new battery and consequently hadn't been serviced properly or serviced with water and had to be used, what we call service cabled from another battery.

Mr. Hubert.

To get the motor started?

Mr. Goin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was that truck No. 46 the larger or the smaller of the two trucks?

Mr. Goin.

Yes; it is our largest truck at present.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have anything to do with the starting up of the truck, larger truck No. 46?

Mr. Goin.

I don't recall.

Mr. Hubert.

But you do recall that it was necessary to use another battery with cables to get it started?

Mr. Goin.

Yes; it was.

Mr. Hubert.

But who did the actual work of putting the other battery on to the necessary parts of the truck to get the truck started?

Mr. Goin.

I really can't give you an honest answer there.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't know whether you did it yourself?

Mr. Goin.

I may have been a part of it, but I don't distinctly remember doing it, I am sorry.

Mr. Hubert.

But you do remember that the front hoed was opened so that the battery could be started?

Mr. Goin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How much of a delay did that occasion, do you know?

Mr. Goin.

Not exactly. Probably 15 minutes. It would be an estimate, I am sorry.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you travel from the terminal to the city jail?

Mr. Goin.

In--I was trying to think what truck number--in the other truck.

Mr. Hubert.

In the smaller truck?

Mr. Goin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you driving?

Mr. Goin.

I believe I did.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was with you?

Mr. Goin.

Mr. Dietrich.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you precede the larger truck, or follow it?

Mr. Goin.

I don't remember exactly.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember the route that was used to go from the terminal?

Mr. Goin.

Ross Avenue to Harwood, down Harwood to the Commerce Street parking on Commerce.

Mr. Hubert.

When you got to Commerce Street, where did you park?

Mr. Goin.

I parked past the city jail, back exit.

Mr. Hubert.

There is an exit from the city jail coming up from the basement which comes out on Commerce Street?

Mr. Goin.

That's right.