Mr. Griffin.

Let me introduce myself again. I am Burt Griffin.

Mr. Kleinman.

I am Abe Kleinman.

Mr. Griffin.

I am a member of the general counsel staff of the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy.
It is our normal procedure to explain a little bit about what we are doing here before we ask you to testify.
The Commission was set up pursuant to an Exective order of President Johnson and the joint resolution of Congress, and it has been directed to investigate, evaluate, and report back to President Johnson upon all the facts surrounding the assassination of President Kennedy and the death of Lee Harvey Oswald.
We have asked you to come here today particularly because you were acquainted with Jack Ruby, and we would like to find out what light you can shed upon Jack Ruby and his involvement in the events of November 22, 23, and 24.
Under the rules and regulations of the Commission, I have been designated to take your deposition today. Also, under these rules, the witness is entitled to have a written notice 3 days before he appears to testify. I might ask you if have received such a notice.

Mr. Kleinman.

Yes; I received that Sunday. I wasn't there but it was signed for in my sister's hand.

Mr. Griffin.

When did you actually see it?

Mr. Kleinman.

The notice here?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Kleinman.

Sunday.

Mr. Griffin.

you have had 3 days?

Mr. Kleinman.

Yes; I called Monday to find out about it.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you first of all, do you have any questions about what is taking place here? And if so, I will try to answer them for you.

Mr. Kleinman.

Well, I really don't know what, except what I read. That is, that you wanted me to come up here and answer some questions.

Mr. Griffin.

Why don't we proceed with the testimony, and if you have any questions, you may ask them.

Mr. Kleinman.

I wouldn't have any question, because I don't know just what you want or what I could tell you.

Mr. Griffin.

We will try to ask you some questions and we will see what answers we can get. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me.

Mr. Kleinman.

I don't have any, because I don't know very much about it, except I knew Jack Ruby.

Mr. Griffin.

All right, let me ask you then if you will raise your right hand and I will administer the oath to you.
Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Kleinman.

Sure.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you state for the court reporter what your full name is?

Mr. Kleinman.

Abraham Kleiman.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you spell it?

Mr. Kleinman.

K-l-e-i-n-m-a-n.

Mr. Griffin.

Where do you live, Mr. Kleinman?

Mr. Kleinman.

1189B Timplemore Drive.

Mr. Griffin.

Is that here in Dallas?

Mr. Kleinman.

That is near White Rock Lake.

Mr. Griffin.

When were you born?

Mr. Kleinman.

December 16, 1902.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you have a trade or profession?

Mr. Kleinman.

I am a public accountant.

Mr. Griffin.

How long have you been a public accountant?

Mr. Kleinman.

Well, I started practicing after I got out of the service 1943.

Mr. Griffin.

How long have you lived in the Dallas area?

Mr. Kleinman.

I have lived here in Dallas about 58 years.

Mr. Griffin.

Pretty close to a native.