Mrs. Tice.

everybody was gone. I mean, not only me, but everybody in Dallas was looking and listening. And I decided that I would jump in the car and run over there too. It is only 15 minutes from my house.

Mr. Griffin.

You mean when you went to Parkland Hospital?

Mrs. Tice.

When I went to Parkland Hospital.

Mr. Griffin.

Did your husband object to the fact that you had gone to Parkland Hospital?

Mrs. Tice.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Has this disturbed you, his objection to that?

Mrs. Tice.

Yes: it disturbs me all the time, because he doesn't want me to go out of the house while he is gone, because he says my place is in the house.

Mr. Griffin.

If you were really sure that the man you saw out there was Jack Ruby, wouldn't you have reported it to the police or the FBI within a few days, or called them on the telephone or something like that and told them about it very shortly after Jack shot Oswald?

Mrs. Tice.

No; because I thought they knew everything. I didn't know that Eva and them didn't know he went out there, or I wouldn't have said that to her.

Mr. Griffin.

You assumed that when you said that, that they knew?

Mrs. Tice.

That they knew he was out there.

Mr. Griffin.

That they thought he was out there?

Mrs. Tice.

I assumed they knew he was out there.

Mr. Griffin.

Had you read the article that one of the newspaper reporters wrote who also said he saw Jack Ruby out at the Parkland Hospital.

Mrs. Tice.

No, sir; I didn't read that.

Mr. Griffin.

You are not familiar with that?

Mrs. Tice.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

The reason you are telling us that you didn't call the FBI earlier is that you assumed that they knew that he was out at Parkland, that he had been at Parkland Hospital?

Mrs. Tice.

I assumed that they knew everywhere he had been.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you expect that they would have known that unless somebody told them about it?

Mrs. Tice.

Well, they are talking to the news all the time, and Eva said they tracked him down from here to there and said that they had asked her all about it and everything. And she wanted to know what time I saw him out there. I said, "I don't know what time it was, but I know that I was out at the hospital by 1 o'clock, and I know that I was back at my house at 3 o'clock, because my children get home from school at 10 after 3, and when they come home I am home."

Mr. Griffin.

How long had you stood out there before you saw this man that you thought was Jack Ruby?

Mrs. Tice.

Well, there was some lady and some little child with some group of people standing there and I asked them what they were doing now and she said, "Well, they haven't said anything." And she said she can't hear anything. This is when I saw the one that at that time I didn't know was anybody like Jack Ruby, and then this man that came up to him and slapped him on the shoulder and started talking to him.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did this man that you think was Jack Ruby, how long did he stand out there next to you?

Mrs. Tice.

I was standing about 3 feet from them.

Mr. Griffin.

Where was he standing in relation to you. Was he in front of you or behind you, or off to the side, or where was he?

Mrs. Tice.

I was standing about like this, and they were standing there, but I was being nosey and listening.

Mr. Griffin.

In other words, this man was off to the side 4 or 5 feet distant from you, the distance from you to me?

Mrs. Tice.

This man that I say was Jack Ruby was about 3 feet from me, I guess, about as far as you are from me.

Mr. Griffin.

You could only see the side of his face, I take it?

Mrs. Tice.

Jack Ruby's?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.