Mr. Watherwax.

Yes; he usually came up there, after his club was closed usually around 3 or 4 o'clock in the morning.

Mr. Hubert.

He would consult with you about the ad which appeared in the evening edition?

Mr. Watherwax.

Yes; the following day.

Mr. Hubert.

When did it go to press ?

Mr. Watherwax.

It would go to press about 9 o'clock in the morning.

Mr. Hubert.

What's the deadline?

Mr. Watherwax.

I think it would be out on the streets about 11 o'clock.

Mr. Hubert.

No; I mean what's the deadline for changing the ad and so forth?

Mr. Weatherwax.

Well, I think some time at night, but he kept wandering in and his ad was so small.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you get to see him quite often ?

Mr. Watherwax.

Quite a bit.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember having seen him on the morning after the President was shot, that is to say, on the early morning of November 23?

Mr. Watherwax.

Saturday morning?

Mr. Hubert.

Saturday morning; that is correct?

Mr. Watherwax.

Yes; he was up there.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you on duty as usual?

Mr. Watherwax.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

That was your 12 to 7:30 shift?

Mr. Watherwax.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you seen him before on that day, that is to say, on the 23d?

Mr. Watherwax.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you seen him on the 22d at all ?

Mr. Watherwax.

No; not that I recall.

Mr. Hubert.

When was the last time prior to that that you had seen him that you recall?

Mr. Watherwax.

I don't even recall, and I may have seen him and I may not have even taken note of him.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you have a distinct recollection of having seen him on the night or the morning after the President was shot?

Mr. Watherwax.

Oh, yes; I remember that.

Mr. Hubert.

What was he there for?

Mr. Watherwax.

To change his ad. He changed it to "The Carousel Club will be closed for Saturday, Sunday, and Monday," I think.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, the ad had been placed or was it a continuously running ad?

Mr. Watherwax.

Yes; continuously--more or less.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he come in person or did he telephone?

Mr. Watherwax.

He came in person.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he telephone at all?

Mr. Watherwax.

He frequently did, but he didn't that day.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did he stay with you ?

Mr. Watherwax.

He was up there, I would say, at least 30 minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

Talking with you or with others ?

Mr. Watherwax.

Well, it was with myself and others.

Mr. Hubert.

Who were some of the others ?

Mr. Watherwax.

Roy Pryor--he was an old friend of his, and the foreman, and myself.

Mr. Hubert.

And what was the foreman's name?

Mr. Watherwax.

Clyde Gaydosch.

Mr. Hubert.

Is he still there?

Mr. Watherwax.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What time was it that Ruby first came, do you remember?

Mr. Watherwax.

It was about 5 minutes after 4.

Mr. Hubert.

That's quite a time that you have named. Therefore, I would like you to state why you are able to fix it as closely as you do?

Mr. Watherwax.

We eat lunch from 3:30 until 4, and right after lunch I usually go back to the restroom and wash my hands, and just as I was walking to the restroom, he came off of the elevator.