Mr. Johnson.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Go ahead. Do you remember the itemization of it?

Mr. Johnson.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

That is the one time you saw him prior to November 23, is that correct ?

Mr. Johnson.

November 23 being what?

Mr. Hubert.

The Saturday after the President was shot.

Mr. Johnson.

Prior to November 23, negative.

Mr. Hubert.

You had seen him the one time you have described?

Mr. Johnson.

That was the only time I ever seen him. I knew who he was, and that is the extent of it.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have occasion to see him on November 23, and where?

Mr. Johnson.

Did I have occasion to see him; no, sir. Mr. HUBERT. YOU did not see Ruby?

Mr. Johnson.

Yes; I did see him, but you asked me if I had occasion to see him; no.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, you did see him? I didn't mean anything by that.

Mr. Johnson.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You did see him?

Mr. Johnson.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Will you tell us the circumstances under which you saw him, and where?

Mr. Johnson.

The specific address?

Mr. Hubert.

If you don't know the address, we understand that. Just tell us where the place was.

Mr. Johnson.

OK; on Saturday afternoon about 1:10 or 1:15 or 1:20, the time I cannot be precise about, at Sol's Turf Bar, and Jesus Christ, I think it is in the 1200 block or the 1300 block or something on Commerce, but it is across the street from the Dallas Power & Light Co. That would substantiate it. That would isolate it; I mean.

Mr. Hubert.

You saw him in there?

Mr. Johnson.

I was having

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see Jack Ruby on that occasion?

Mr. Johnson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you with anyone?

Mr. Johnson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Who?

Mr. Johnson.

I was with Charles Busby and I was with Ivan.

Mr. Hubert.

Ivan Monday?

Mr. Johnson.

Monday, yes; and a couple of other fellows. I can't remember at this point who they were.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember a man by the name of Tom Apple

Mr. Johnson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he there?

Mr. Johnson.

He came in.

Mr. Hubert.

So you went into that place at approximately 1:10 or 1:15; about then?

Mr. Johnson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You went in with Monday?

Mr. Johnson.

I didn't go in with him, but he had just gotten there when I got there; yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know Frank Bellochio?

Mr. Johnson.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he there, or did he come in?

Mr. Johnson.

He came in.

Mr. Hubert.

So that the three of you were together?

Mr. Johnson.

Three or four.

Mr. Hubert.

Where were you in the bar?

Mr. Johnson.

Where were we in the bar?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Johnson.

Well, we were sitting up at the front end of the bar, which makes a sharp L turn, and I was sitting in the L.