Mr. Jenner.

article with the Jack Rubenstein who is now charged and been found guilty of the murder of Oswald?

Mr. Oliver.

I am using that as the basis for my contention that that should be investigated.

Mr. Jenner.

In view of that could I see the article, please? I think we had probably better identify it.

Mr. Unger.

Let me say a copy of Martin Dies' article is in the same issue of American Opinion for March that you have already used as an Exhibit.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you identify the page number ?

Mr. Oliver.

Let me look at it.

Mr. Jenner.

Is that Oliver Exhibit No. 1 you are looking at?

Mr. Oliver.

Oliver Exhibit No. 1 contains on pages 1 through 10 an article by Congressman Martin Dies on the assassination in which he raised the question of the identity of Jacob or Jack Rubenstein.

Mr. Jenner.

Was that article available to you at the time you wrote your article which was published in the same issue? That is part II.

Mr. Oliver.

Not the finished typewritten text of the article but the contents of it; yes.

Mr. Unger.

Excuse me, can I interrupt for just a minute?
(Discussion off the record.).

Mr. Jenner.

Referring to your article, did you rely on any source that we may describe as being a confidential source as distinguished from public sources, that is, various published matters?

Mr. Oliver.

In this entire article?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Oliver.

No; except as I have said, I had the estimate made by Colonel Clark which could be regarded as semiconfidential.

Mr. Jenner.

And you have so indicated already.

Mr. Oliver.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you recall being interviewed either by telephone or personally by an agent of the FBI on the 2d of September, 1964, that is last week, I guess, wasn't it, or this week?

Mr. Oliver.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Last week.

Mr. Oliver.

September what?

Mr. Jenner.

September 2.

Mr. Oliver.

That would be right; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

It is reported to us you stated and I will quote "that all of" I interpolate the pronouns "that all of his material used in his articles was tained by him from public sources and he added that he had no confidential sources."

Mr. Oliver.

I believe that I was referring specifically to the speech concerning which they inquired and not to the articles.

Mr. Jenner.

That was the speech that you made on the evening of August 28 at the Santa Aria Valley High School?

Mr. Oliver.

That is right.

Mr. Jenner.

Do I properly infer from that response of yours that you had sources, one or more, for your article, that was or were other than public sources-----

Mr. Oliver.

No; I merely am trying to keep the record clear by stating the FBI people, I believe, spoke to me only about the speech.

Mr. Jenner.

I see. This report of the FBI, if directed to your article in American Opinion would be equally applicable to it?

Mr. Oliver.

Yes. With, of course, the exceptions that I have already mentioned, Colonel Clark, reports from--

Mr. Jenner.

With whatever exceptions you have already placed on record in this examination.

Mr. Oliver.

That is right.

Mr. Jenner.

The report of your Santa Ana Valley High School speech on the evening of August 28, 1964, at least as reported in the Washington Post, on page 19, the issue dated August 30, 1964, purports to quote you as having said, "I don't know whether Oswald was paid by the CIA or by the Soviet secret