Mr. Rubenstein.

About 3 years.

Mr. Griffin.

What kind of place was that?

Mr. Rubstein.

It was a club for boys who had no home, but they had to work or go to school. I did both. I worked after school.

Mr. Griffin.

You lived there for about 3 years?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I would say about 3 years.

Mr. Griffin.

Until you were about 18, I take it?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

15 to 18. But you say you finished high school in 1922. What did you do after you left the Deborah Boys Club?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I got, I believe I got a room with another fellow at 4907 Vincennes Avenue, and worked after school, and I continued going to school and worked, whatever I could do after school. Some jobs were easy and some jobs were tough.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you live with this other fellow?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Until I graduated.

Mr. Griffin.

Until about 1922?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I would say that.

Mr. Griffin.

During this period from 1916 until 1922, when you returned to the family home, what contact did you have with your family?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I used to see them, used to go over there, bring them different things, try to talk to the kids, and see that they tried to get along and have what they needed.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you happen to go to live at the Deborah Boys Club?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I had a fight at home and my father wanted me to go to work and I wanted to go to school because I knew I had to have some education. But with eight children I could see his point but yet I wanted to look out for myself, and I probably was advised by some of my friends that I should leave home, and I did, and through some agency, I don't remember how, they suggested it would be best for me if I left home and they found this place for me, and so I was admitted.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember if any Juvenile court proceedings were instituted?

Mr. Rubenstein.

It could have been it is possible. It is possible there were some juvenile court proceedings, it is a long time ago.

Mr. Griffin.

Who instituted those proceedings?

Mr. Rubentein.

I don't remember. Probably the family on the west side in Chicago through my mother's complaints to this association about my father.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you having some difficulty with your father at that time?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you tell us about it?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I just wanted to go to school, and he thought I should go to work.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, do you recall an incorrigibility proceeding being instituted against you?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Me?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Incorrigibility?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't remember any such case.

Mr. Griffin.

Would it have been about May of 1916 that you went to live at the Deborah Boys Club?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No, no; it was after I graduated grammar school, and I graduated in 1917.

Mr. Griffin.

I see. So you would have been 16 or 17 when you went to live at the Deborah Boys Club?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; it was right after I graduated from grammar school.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, you say 1917.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes; I was only 15 1/2 when I graduated.