Mr. Rowland.

time did you--I think you said, though, you thought that he was a--he could have been a--Secret Service man, officer.

Mr. Rowland.

Yes; that is right.
Senator COOPER. That is all.

The Chairman.

Anything further, Congressman Ford?

Representative Ford.

Mr. Rowland, have you ever had occasion to go back to the scene and reconstruct it? Have you ever gone back--

The Chairman.

Supposing we take a few minutes recess.

Mr. Rowland.

The answer to that question is yes; I do all the time. I pass that area very frequently.

The Chairman.

Any other questions, gentlemen, Mr. Wright?

Mr. Wright.

No, Your Honor.

The Chairman.

Very well, Mr. Rowland, I want to thank you for coming here and cooperating with the Commission. I know that this is a matter that recalls very sordid thoughts to your mind, and I can see how you would be somewhat distressed about it but you have been very frank and cooperative with us and I appreciate We will take a short recess.
(Short recess.)

James Richard Worrell, Jr.

Testimony of James Richard , Jr. Worrell

The Chairman.

All right.
Will you raise your right hand and be sworn, please?
Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you give before this Commission will
he the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Worrell.

Yes, sir.

The Chairman.

Will you be seated, please.
Mr. Worrell, the purpose of today's hearing is to hear the testimony of Arnold Louis Rowland, Amos Lee Evins, yourself, and Robert Jackson, who were in the vicinity of the assassination scene on November 22, 1963. The Commission proposes to ask you and. the other witnesses for facts concerning your knowledge of the assassination of the President.

Mr. Worrell.

Yes, sir.

The Chairman.

Mr. Specter, will you proceed with the examination.

Mr. Specter.

Will you state your full name for the record, please?

Mr. Worrell.

James Richard Worrell, Jr.

The Chairman.

Senator, will you preside while I answer a phone call to another member of the Commission?

Mr. Specter.

What is your address, Mr. Worrell?

Mr. Worrell.

13510 Winterhaven Drive.

Mr. Specter.

What city is that?

Mr. Worrell.

In Dallas, it is the Farmers Branch of the suburb of Dallas.

Mr. Specter.

How long have you resided in Dallas, Tex.?

Mr. Worrell.

About 12 years.

Mr. Specter.

And where did you live before that?

Mr. Worrell.

3140 Storey Lane.

Mr. Specter.

And in what city is Storey Lane located?

Mr. Worrell.

Dallas.

Mr. Specter.

Where were you born?

Mr. Worrell.

Livermore, Calif.

Mr. Specter.

And how old are you at the present time?

Mr. Worrell.

Twenty.

Mr. Specter.

How long did you live in California?

Mr. Worrell.

I am not exactly sure. I was a little bitty old thing and I it was 2 or 3 years.

Mr. Specter.

Where did you move from California?

Mr. Worrell.

From California we moved to Abilene, I think.

Mr. Specter.

Abilene, Tex.?

Mr. Worrell.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

And have you lived in Texas since that time?