Mr. Shelley.

Well, I heard something sounded like it was a firecracker and a slight pause and then two more a little bit closer together.

Mr. Ball.

And then?

Mr. Shelley.

I didn't think anything about it.

Mr. Ball.

What did it sound like to you?

Mr. SHELLEY. Sounded like a miniature cannon or baby giant firecracker, wasn't real loud.

Mr. Ball.

What happened; what did you do then?

Mr. Shelley.

I didn't do anything for a minute.

Mr. Ball.

What seemed to be the direction or source of the sound:?

Mr. Shelley.

Sounded like it came from the west.

Mr. Ball.

It sounded like it came from the west?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Then what happened?

Mr. SHELLEY. Gloria Calvary from South-Western Publishing Co. ran back up there crying and said "The President has been shot" and Billy Lovelady and myself took off across the street to that little, old island and we stopped there for a minute.

Mr. Ball.

Across the street, you mean directly south?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes, slightly to the right, you know where the light is there?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.
Mr. SHELLEY. That little, old side street runs in front of our building and Elm Street.

Mr. Ball.

It dead ends?

Mr. Shelley.

There's concrete between the two streets.

Mr. Ball.

Elm Street dead ends there just beyond the building, doesn't it?

Mr. Shelley.

Well, that's also Elm that goes under the triple underpass.

Mr. Ball.

That is Elm that goes under the triple underpass?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

You went to the concrete between the two Elm Streets?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes, where they split.

Mr. Ball.

You went out there and then what did you do?

Mr. SHELLEY. Well, officers started running down to the railroad yards and Billy and I walked down that way.

Mr. Ball.

How did you get down that way; what course did you take?

Mr. Shelley.

We walked down the middle of the little street.

Mr. Ball.

The dead-end street?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see Truly, Mr. Truly and an officer go into the building?

Mr. SHELLEY. Yeah, we saw them right at the front of the building while we were on the island.

Mr. Ball.

While you were out there before you walked to the railroad yards?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.
Mr. BALL. Do you have any idea how long it was from the time you heard those three sounds or three noises until you saw Truly and Baker going into the building?
Mr. SHELLEY. It would have to be 3 or 4 minutes I would say because this girl that ran back up there was down near where the car was when the President was hit.
Mr. BALL. She ran back up to the door and you had still remained standing there?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Going to watch the rest of the parade were you?

Mr. Shelley.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

The Vice President hadn't gone by, had he, by your place?

Mr. Shelley.

I don't know. I didn't recognize him. I did recognize Mr. Kennedy and his suntan I had been hearing about.

Mr. Ball.

How did you happen to see Truly?

Mr. SHELLEY. We ran out on the island while some of the people that were out watching it from our building were walking back and we turned around and we saw an officer and Truly.

Mr. Ball.

And Truly?