Mr. Raigorodsky.

Because he told her she cannot do that, she had to sneak out with that child to be christened and since Communists are atheists, they knew that she could not possibly be Communists.
Mr. JENNER. You heard afterwards that Marina had had her child baptized in St. Seraphim's?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

And those persons then in your church, the St. Nicholas Church, cited that as being a fact which led them to believe that she believed in the Lord and was therefore not an atheist, that it was a factor that led them in turn to believe that she was not a Communist. because Communist are atheists?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

Whereas, you accepted that as a factor to consider, but there occurred to you a countervailing consideration, which was----

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Correct--which was that the Communists may have been--if it was a conspiracy, that would to me have been the best way to get into the good graces of the Russian Church community.

Mr. Jenner.

Lead people to believe that you were a Christian?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

And not an atheist?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

And seek by that stratagem to gain their confidence?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

So that that factor, whatever it was, had to be examined and held in abeyance so you wouldn't jump to a conclusion from that one thing?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

You see---I don't trust them in any kind of a condition or any kind of a statement that they make. It doesn't make any difference, but in fact, I know it isn't truthful--it's just like Mr. Gromyko lying to President Kennedy sitting in his office, you know, lying just like a trooper and then knowing that it wasn't so, but he lied. I don't have to tell you all about what Communists do and how they operate.

Mr. Jenner.

Did there in due course come into this community a man by the name of George De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And you were here when he came here, were you?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Well, let's say that I met George De Mohrenschildt in Dallas while I was coming here, just--you know--just occasionally to see my friends, probably about. I'll say 15 or 17 years ago, somewhere in that neighborhood.

Mr. Jenner.

Had you heard of him prior to that time?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Yes; I heard of him through Jake Hamon.

Mr. Jenner.

Through Mr. Hamon?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Hamon, H-a-m-o-n [spelling]--Jake.

Mr. Jenner.

Who is he?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

He is an oilman friend of mine here, quite well known, and he told me there was a Russian here do I know him, and I said, "No; I hadn't heard about him." That's how I met him--at a party.

Mr. Jenner.

You are talking about George De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

In this 17-year period from that initial acquaintance to the present time, had you come to know George De Mohrenschildt and acquire some knowledge of his origin and background?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

I believe so.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you please recite it to us--who is he, what is his history, his marriages, the nativity of the ladies he married and some of his activities, leaving until a little bit later in the questioning the business associations or contacts you may have had with him?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Well, from what I understand, George De Mohrenschildt comes from what we call by-the-Baltic Germans.

Mr. Jenner.

What is--by-the-Baltic Germans?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

The by-the-Baltic Germans are Germans that lived by the Baltic Sea and they were Russians or rather, Russiafied Germans and they were in the service of the Czar for generations and generations and were considered