Mr. Raigorodsky.

that's the only time---first of all, I've got George De Mohrenschildt to become a member of the Petroleum Club.

Mr. Jenner.

What is the Petroleum Club?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

It is the Petroleum Club, Dallas Petroleum Club.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you seek to do it for him?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

He was a man of grace at the club?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Very much so a man of grace, a man of breeding.

Mr. Jenner.

And did he begin to move in a different social circle?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

An entirely different social circle.

Mr. Jenner.

And was that a social circle of Russian emigre, a certain set of Russian emigre?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

No, no, that's the thing which both churches have against them. He belonged to the church, but he never sent in a donation.

Mr. Jenner.

He belonged to the church in the sense that when he felt like coming, he came, but he never supported the church financially?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

No, that's right, from that point. Politically he never, and I can say honestly, not one time did he ever discuss with me any political questions or give me his views except one time when he went to take the trip--- the walking trip.

Mr. Jenner.

From the border of the United States and the Mexican border down to Panama?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell us the incident that you are about to relate?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Except one time, you see, except one time--he was elated because he met Mikoyan in Mexico.

Mr. Jenner.

And did he report this to you?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

You know--just trying to show what--he always brags about things--he was bragging about many things.

Mr. Jenner.

Was he given to overstatements?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Very much so, and he brags about the fact that he met Mr. Mikoyan, and this is not for publication, and I asked him why didn't he shoot this b - - - - - d?

Mr. Jenner.

What did he say--when you said, "Why didn't you shoot him?"

Mr. Raigorodsky.

He just smiled and smiled with that understanding smile, you see, as if I were taking away from his achievement.

Mr. Jenner.

Was he a man of extraordinary dress or attire?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Anything but ordinary in attire.

Mr. Jenner.

He was not only provocative in his habits, but provocative in his attire in the sense of nonconforming?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

He is--he is absolutely nonconformist--that's the best definition I can give you.

Mr. Jenner.

Does he speak Russian?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Oh, yes; he speaks Russian quite well with a by-the-Baltic German accent.

Mr. Jenner.

Does his wife Jeanne speak Russian?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Does she have any peculiarity of accent?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Well, I say her's would be Polish, but you know, it is very hard to say. I don't think she was born in Russia, I think she was born in France or somewhere, or maybe China, but George's was definitely, because he was born in Russia. Now, to me George now this is again my idea----

Mr. Jenner.

We are trying to get a background on him and we want your idea.

Mr. Raigorodsky.

I don't believe that George is a Communist, because I don't think that the Communists would stand for the behavior of George in the United States. I mean, that is the only thing that I can give him credit for. To them it is a religion. You see, communism is a religion to them and they lead, as we should, I understand they lead the Spartan life, I mean, they are supposed to, but George led anything but the Spartan life in this country.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you have some business relations with him?