Yaeko. They just went on sight and started talking and talking and talking. I thought that was understandable because Oswald had been in Japan, you see. But the interest was so overwhelming that Marina objected, and became very jealous. She told us, either that night or later, that Oswald got her telephone number, she noticed that Oswald got this girl's telephone number. And once or twice later on she told us that she has the impression that Oswald is carrying on something with this girl. Now, this is hearsay again. But----

Mr. Jenner.

Well, it is not hearsay that Marina told you.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; but hearsay that they are carrying something on. That is what she told us. But nothing definite.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you notice any incidents in which--at that party--in which people----
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. My wife will tell you more about this Yaeko incident, because she knows a little bit better.

Mr. Jenner.

I will make a note of that so I can talk to her about it.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. And she is more on the gossipy side. I'm always happy if a girl likes a boy and a boy likes a girl it does not matter who they are.

Mr. Jenner.

Were there any incidents that you recall in which members at that party were talking with Marina and Oswald interrupted?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; I do not recall, because I did not speak to them. I Just left them alone, hoping that they would find some people to talk to.

Mr. Jenner.

And the contacts you had with Marina and Lee, was there ever any discussion on the subject of whether people in Russia when they were there were chary about talking with Lee because they were afraid he might be an agent of some kind?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. It is a question I have to try to think a little bit about.
I have a vague recollection that either Lee or Marina did tell me the people were afraid of him, and I think that was probably Oswald that told me, that the people were afraid of him, like many foreigners. So I thought that was very understandable, because you know the Communists are scared--not the Communists, but the people in Russia are scared to talk to foreigners.
We had an incident ourselves when we went to .Mexico, to a Russian exhibit, to a Russian Fair, and tried to speak to an architect there in charge of the architectural exhibit. This was a lady architect, a charming woman. We spoke to her for about 5 minutes, and then she disappeared, and you could not find her any more. She ran away from us. She was scared of us. That is the usual thing.
So I did not pay particular attention to that fact. If people were scared of talking to Oswald, it was understandable.

Mr. Jenner.

Did that ever arise, discussions as to why--possibly affecting his desire to return to the United States?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I do not recall that. The most important answer I think I got from Oswald--and that was one of the reasons we liked him and thought that he was rather intelligent in his estimation of Soviet Russia--is the fact that we asked him, both my wife and I, "Why did you leave Soviet Russia", and he said very sincerely, "Because I did not not find what I was looking for."

Mr. Jenner.

And did you ask him what he was looking for?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. A Utopia. I knew what he was looking for--Utopia. And that does not exist any place.

Mr. Jenner.

This man could not find what he was looking for anywhere in this world.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. He could not find it in the States, he could not find it any place.

Mr. Jenner.

He could find it only in him.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Exactly. He could find it in himself, in a false image of grandeur that he built in himself. But at the time that we knew him that was not so obvious. Now you can see that, as a possible murderer of the President

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