Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. She did. She ribbed him so, that if I would ever speak to my husband that way we would not last long. I would not do it. Because I could see----

Mr. Jenner.

What did she say? You see----
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Oh, big hero, or look at that big shot, something like that.

Mr. Jenner.

When you say she ribbed him in front of us, that doesn't mean anything to us. That is a conclusion.
What did she say to him?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Let me try to remember exactly. Don't forget, I am telling right now impressions. It is very difficult to remember exact words. But certain things led to leave that impression in my mind.

Mr. Jenner.

Mrs. De Mohrenschildt, it happens that you and George, having the time, having the inclination, being the kind of people you are, you saw more of the Oswalds than anybody else.
And what I am trying to do is to obtain from you, not only your impressions, but how you came by them.
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. But what I want to tell you--I don't think it is correct. We didn't see them more than anybody else. In fact, we saw them maybe less, because she never lived with us--she stayed once overnight. And they have been very, very seldom at our house, very, very seldom. I cannot exactly tell how many times. But you can count it on your fingers how many times. And usually it was when finally I find the time and I said come over and I will make dinner for you, or something like that, because I knew they were not eating very well.
He didn't care for it at all, but she did. She liked to eat well, and good things. So that was the only occasion we saw them.
So I think other people saw them even more. For instance, the people that she lived with, absolutely, because he used to come and visit her.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, you were more direct with her and with him, you and your husband, because primarily his disposition is to speak his mind, and Oswald respected your husband.
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. He did. He respected him, and he respected me. And maybe that is what makes the difference with the rest of the crowd. He never was respectful. Once, as I said, he was a little--showed a little violence, and he said he will break all the baby's toys and tear her dresses if we take her away from him.
I said, "Lee, where will that get you? If you really love Marina that is the last thing you should do, then you lose her forever." And he sort of boiled and boiled. He sat quietly, you know. And he said, all right, he would not do it.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, I asked you as to the sources of difficulty, and you related them. Did she twit him about his inability to make enough money so that she could live better?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. That was one complaint. Another complaint, sexwise, he wasn't satisfactory for her. In fact, she was almost sick that she wasn't getting enough sex, which I never heard of before. I didn't know such things can happen to people, you know.
We saw, ourselves, he was a little difficult--for instance, with the baby. I also objected that he didn't let her smoke. After all, she is supposed to be a grown woman. He was definitely domineering--it has to be just like he said and that is it. He always had a feeling that he is the boss, and she has to--just nothing, just wipe the floor with her. This man. So we objected to that

Mr. Jenner.

Now, you were going to tell me the basis on which you formed your opinion as to her, you say, nagging. You used the term "ribbing." This was not jocular, was it--not joking? It was irritating?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. It was irritating. That he was a big shot, reading, reading, reading.

Mr. Jenner.

Would say that in your presence?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

She would ridicule him, in other words?

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