Mr. Jenner.

And she is the school teacher?

Mrs. Paine.

She is.

Mr. Jenner.

And you haven't heard from her in, did you say, 6 or 8 months?

Mrs. Paine.

It would be a year, I am quite certain.

Mr. Jenner.

Mrs. Paine, in your own words would you tell us something about your father and mother, your family generally, their interests? Put it in your own words. We are just trying to supply a background.

Mrs. Paine.

I can start most easily with their present activities. My mother has just completed work for a bachelor of divinity from Oberlin College in Ohio. She has already been ordained as a minister of the Unitarian Church. She hopes to do work as a chaplain in a hospital, and toward that end has 6 more weeks training to complete in inservice training in a hospital. My father is working for a Nationwide Insurance Co. He has been on special assignment from them to--I am not certain of the name of the organization--to cooperative alliance in Europe.

Mr. Jenner.

That is a cooperative alliance of insurance companies?

Mrs. Paine.

Having to do with insurance; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Insurance companies?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; that is my understanding.

Mr. Jenner.

This is a commercial activity, isn't it?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; I believe so. And----

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me. The cooperative alliance in Europe, does that include any Iron Curtain countries?

Mrs. Paine.

No. He is presently teaching a course at Ohio State University, and is on loan for that portion of time which he occupies with teaching from his regular job at Nationwide, although he is at the company most of the time.

Mr. Jenner.

What is the subject he is teaching?

Mrs. Paine.

It has to do with insurance.

Mr. Jenner.

You start out at the end rather than the beginning, Mrs. Paine. We don't want to go too far back, but let's go back to your high school days. Was your father an insurance----

Mrs. Paine.

He worked for the same company then.

Mr. Jenner.

The same company, in Columbus, Ohio?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Have your parents had any interests in political matters?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. Most of that interest I absorbed from hearing it told about, rather than being around when it was going on. Most of the activity was in New York and, as I have said, I moved 2 weeks after I was born from New York. But they have always been interested in what is called the cooperative movement.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell me what you understand----

Mrs. Paine.

My understanding is that the consumer owns the business. In other words, holds the shares, the stock that control, and determine the management of the business, and share in the profits.

Mr. Jenner.

Is that something like what I would call a farmers cooperative?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't know what farmers cooperative is.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you describe what you understand the cooperative movement is?

Mrs. Paine.

I think consumers cooperative is somewhat different. I am not certain what farmers cooperative is. I know that they were interested in and voted for Norman Thomas when they were in New York.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you ever had any interests of that nature, that is an active political interest in a political party? For example, the Socialist Party which Mr. Thomas was the head, or leader?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

I take it from this thumbnail sketch of your life up to the present moment, your interests were largely in the Friends and recreation for children, people who needed help. Your interests were in the social area, but not a political party interest.

Mr. Paine.

That is a correct statement.