Mr. Raigorodsky.

head of the Russians outside of Russia, because he is--whether he escaped Russia like all of us--therefore, all of us who escaped with him or about the same time belonged to that church.

Mr. Jenner.

I see.

Mr. Raigorodsky.

It is very simple, and as far as I am concerned it is the better method, because we know each other, we know about each other, we know which fought, which one fought against the Bolsheviks--all of the so-called St. Nicholas Church is an old anti-Communist group--period.
Now, the St. Seraphim Church can be infiltrated by anybody because nobody checks, you see, the only thing--and there is no tie-in there except for the church--not that there is a tie-in because we fought against communism and because of the church. The same thing in Houston, the tie-in was not only because of the church but because we fought against communism and even though we came through different grounds, some through New York, some through California, but we got there and so we have a church over there.
Now, I personally believe that a church is a church--as long as it is my religion, I will go to one or I will go to another one. It doesn't make any difference to me. I tried to get them together and I didn't succeed in that town. In Houston--I think that is because it is only one church--it is more successful.
Now, I don't know it for a fact, but except as I was told by Father Royster that the Oswalds came through Fort Worth originally. Now, this is hearsay--that I believe they got acquainted with the people by the name of Clark.

Mr. Jenner.

Max Clark?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

I mean, that's all hearsay--I do not know it for a fact. While she is a Russian, in fact she is a first cousin of a very close friend of mine, Prince Sherbatoff, who lives in New York and lives in Jamaica. That's where I see him occasionally. Now, it is my understanding that the Clarks told some of their friends--again, this is hearsay, that "Here is a Russian married to an American and they don't even have milk for the babies." Now, that is my understanding. And so, the Russians, I mean of both churches, because there are not many Russians in our church as against another, started to provide them groceries, buy milk for the baby, in fact I was told that they had her fix her teeth--her teeth were absolutely, oh, it is unspeakable.

Mr. Jenner.

This would, from your observation, be a perfectly normal sort of thing that would occur in this community through the churches that you have mentioned. They are small churches, the people are well acquainted with all the parishioners, that is, acquainted with each other. They seek to help?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Absolutely.

Mr. Jenner.

They seek to help those who come from Europe as refugees or otherwise?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

Those of Russian or Serbian or Central European derivation?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

That's right--that's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

About when was the first you heard of hearsay or otherwise of--- -

Mr. Raigorodsky.

That that happened that way?

Mr. Jenner.

No, of the Oswalds at all? When did it first come to your attention that the Oswalds were here in the Dallas-Fort Worth area?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

The assassination. I am absolutely ignorant of their names- -I never saw them before the assassination.

Mr. Jenner.

I appreciate that--had you heard of the Oswald name?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

No, never had.

Mr. Jenner.

Prior to November 22, 1963?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

No, in fact, I have heard a Russian discussing those things which I tell you are hearsay with me, on a meeting--we have yearly meetings.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you say yearly?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

Once a year--we meet to elect officers. We meet once a year to elect the officers.

Mr. Jenner.

Is this true of both St. Nicholas and St. Seraphim?

Mr. Raigorodsky.

It's St. Nicholas. In St. Seraphim I do not attend to any kind of administrative duties. I am just a parishioner, now, because,