Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Dulles.

What was he doing?

Mrs. Paine.

He was way over at the lake fishing.

Mr. Dulles.

He was over fishing at the lake?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did any further discussion occur between you and Marina on that occasion, or on any interim occasion, of Mr. Oswald's desire to have her return to Russia or the fact that she did not wish the Russian emigre group to know she was pregnant and was about to have a child?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't recall specifically. I did feel that it wasn't a particularly happy occasion. I don't recall it with lightness.

Mr. Jenner.

Was he out of work at that time or not?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; he was out of work. I knew at that time he was out of work. Whether I found out that morning or the previous time I had seen her I don't recall. I only recall when she said he was out of work she also said he had been out of work for a week or a few days before he told her.

Mr. Jenner.

I would like to have you draw on your recollection as closely as you can. Did you learn of his being out of work from him or from Marina?

Mrs. Paine.

From her.

Mr. Jenner.

What did she say on that subject as to whether he was discharged or whether he had left his employment or did she say anything in that area?

Mrs. Paine.

I judged he had been discharged.

Mr. Jenner.

Give me your best recollection of what she said.

Mrs. Paine.

Do you want something else?

Mr. Jenner.

Give me your best recollection of what she said, Mrs. Paine.

Mrs. Paine.

I can't recall it that closely.

Mr. Jenner.

You next have an entry on April 24 reading "Lee and Marina." Do you find it?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Was that a meeting with Lee Harvey Oswald and his wife. Marina?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Where was that held?

Mrs. Paine.

That was to be a visit at the apartment on Neely Street.

Mr. Jenner.

At their apartment?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did it take place?

Mrs. Paine.

I arrived and found that he was packed to go to New Orleans.

Mr. Jenner.

Was this a surprise to you?

Mrs. Paine.

This was a distinct surprise.

Mr. Jenner.

Had there been some communication between you and the Oswalds about your visiting them on the 24th of April?

Mrs. Paine.

It had been arranged that I would come over to visit as much as these other visits had been arranged, just with Marina to talk.

Mr. Jenner.

Had you had any visit with. Marina between the 20th of April and the 24th?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

None whatsoever?

Mrs. Paine.

None.

Mr. Jenner.

Had you arranged on the 20th to visit on the 24th?

Mrs. Paine.

Probably.

Mr. Jenner.

That is your best recollection?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

What time of day did you arrive, or night?

Mrs. Paine.

Mid-morning, perhaps around 10.

Mr. Jenner.

And then you found him packed or packing to leave?

Mrs. Paine.

He was fully packed. I was evidently expected. I and my car, because he asked if I could take these bags and duffel bags, suitcases, to the bus station for him.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.