Griffin was questioning you about last night, and, as I understand it, You testified that you did remember seeing a man, and you gave his description, but at that time you did not know his name ?

Mr. Newman.

That's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

With the aid of this picture, which as I understand, is a class picture I see Captain Solomon there, by the way--you identified him as the second man in the top row from the left, and you stated his name to be-----

Mr. Newman.

Jerome Casten.

Mr. Hubert.

Jerome Casten. I think it would be better if you would allow this to go in. I am, therefore, marking the picture on the reverse side thereof by placing the following on it, to wit: "Dallas, Texas, March 26, 1964. Exhibit 5038-E, deposition of W. J. Newman." Then I am signing my name below that. I am placing an "X" over the man you have identified, and placing my initials next to the "X"; is that correct, sir?

Mr. Newman.

That's right. I don't remember seeing that man throughout the rest of the day, and to the best of my knowledge he was assigned somewhere other than the basement quite sometime prior to the shooting.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, in. order that the record may show that we were both talking about the same document all the time, I wonder if you would mind placing your name below mine on each one of these ?

Mr. Newman.

All right, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Thank you very much.

Bobby G. Patterson

Testimony of Bobby G. Patterson

The testimony of Bobby G. Patterson was taken at 4:07 p.m., on April 14, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Leon D. Hubert, Jr.., assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Hubert.

This is the deposition of Bobby G. Patterson.
Mr. Patterson, my name is Leon Hubert. I am a member of the advisory staff of the general counsel of the President's Commission.
Under the provisions of Executive Order 11130, dated November 29, 1963, joint resolution of Congress 137, and the rules of procedure adopted by the Commission, in conformance with the Executive order and the joint resolution, I have been authorized to take a sworn deposition from you, Mr. Patterson.
I state to you now that the general nature of the Commission's inquiry is to ascertain, evaluate, and report upon the facts relating to the assassination of President Kennedy and the subsequent violent death of Lee Harvey Oswald.

In particular as to you, Mr. Patterson, the nature of the inquiry today is to determine what facts you know about the death of Oswald, and any other pertinent facts you may know about the general inquiry, including what you know about what Jack Ruby might have had to do with it.
Mr. Patterson, I think you have appeared here by virtue of an individual request made to you to appear here was that by a letter?

Mr. Patterson.

By a letter.

Mr. Hubert.

When was that letter addressed to you by J. Lee Rankin, General Counsel of the Commission--when did you receive it?

Mr. Patterson.

Monday.

Mr. Hubert.

Yesterday?

Mr. Patterson.

Sunday. .

Mr. Hubert.

Sunday.

Mr. Patterson.

I came back Sunday.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you have any objection to testifying now ?

Mr. Patterson.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

The reason I say that is that under the rules of the Commission a person is supposed to have a 3-day notice. before they can be required to testify,