Mr. Rubenstein.

In the service?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Rubenstein.

We were scattered all over the earth.

Mr. Griffin.

Was this in the army, your military service?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And what did you do, what rank did you attain?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I was a private. I was at 210 Field Artillery, 33d Division.

Mr. Griffin.

You spent all of your time at Fort Lewis?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Well, we were 1 day at Rockford, you know, they throw a uniform at you and then they put you on the train and you are on the train for 3 days, and then you wind up at Fort Lewis.

Mr. Griffin.

You left the service--

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; we were in Yakima for cannon training.

Mr. Griffin.

You left the service in 1943?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What was the reason for your leaving?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Overage. They told me they had no more use for me. They apologized, I had a good record. I got an excellent discharge, they were sorry but they wanted a younger man in my place.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do after you left the service?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I stayed in Seattle.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you stay there?

Mr. Rubenstein.

About 10 weeks.

Mr. Griffin.

Then what did you do?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I signed up with the U.S. Army Engineers to go to Alaska, to go to work as a carpenter. I felt I wanted to do something. They were going to build barracks out there. I waited and waited and waited and I got tired of waiting, so I asked the company that hired me to release me, because they did not know when I would be put on a boat to go across. The Army would have allowed only two men, civilians, with the regular soldiers to go across Alaska at a time.
Well, I probably would have been there for 4 years waiting Yet so I decided to ask for a release, and they gave me a release and I went back to Chicago.

Mr. Griffin.

So the 10 weeks you spent waiting?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I worked; I worked part time for the Seaboard Lumber Co.

Mr. Griffin.

But the reason you were there was because you were waiting. to go to Alaska?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Definitely. In fact, I had my tools sent to me, my father's tools.

Mr. Griffin.

Had you worked as a carpenter before?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Never.

Mr. Griffin.

And on your return to Chicago what did you do?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I took odd jobs, whatever I could get to make a buck, you know, salesman on the road. I am trying to think what I sold, novelties, premiums, different things that you could get. A lot of items you couldn't get, there was a scarcity, so you sold what you could obtain from different companies or different friends who were in business.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you work for any particular company?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I am trying to think. I can't think of any particular company I worked for. I probably bought stuff myself and sold it on the road.

Mr. Griffin.

I have in front of me your social security, a summary of your social security record. Do you remember working for the Arlington Park Jockey Club?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

When was that?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Ben Lindheimer--how did that work out, I am trying to think. I worked there just before I got in the service, and then I was drafted, that was the last job I believe I had at the Arlington Park Jockey Club.

Mr. Griffin.

Your social security record indicates that you worked for the Arlington Park Jockey Club in 1943.