Mrs. Carlin.

because, like I said, he didn't show down at the club so I figured she had to
make another trip

Mr. Hubert.

Did you talk to her about it?

Mrs. Carlin.

No; she had to get some gowns and things out of the club, so I thought perhaps she would go and get it. I hadn't even discussed it with her or anything. She didn't discuss it with me, she just said she wanted to get her money and her gowns and she was very persistent, and she needed it to go to Oklahoma City, I believe, I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, Mrs. Carlin, in ending this deposition, let me ask you if there has been any conversations between us except that which has gone into the record here today?

Mrs. Carlin.

NO.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, thank you very much.We appreciate your coming down.

Mrs. Carlin.

All right, thank you.

Ralph Paul
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Testimony of Ralph Paul

The testimony of Ralph Paul was taken at 2:25 p.m., on August 24, 1964, at the Federal Building, Fort Worth, Tex., by Mr. Leon D. Hubert, Jr., assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Hubert.

This is the-deposition of Mr. Ralph Paul.
Mr. Paul, my name is Leon Hubert. I am a member of the advisory staff of the general counsel of the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy. Under the provisions of Executive Order 11130 dated November 29, 1963, and the joint resolution of Congress, No. 137, and the rules of procedure adopted by the Commission in conformance with that Executive order and that joint resolution, I have been authorized to take this sworn deposition from you.
I state to you that the general nature of the Commission's inquiry is to ascertain, evaluate and report upon the facts relative to the assassination of President Kennedy and the subsequent violent death of Lee Harvey Oswald.
In particular, as to you, Mr. Paul, the nature of the inquiry today is to determine what facts you know about the death of Oswald and any other pertinent facts you may know about the general inquiry and about Jack Ruby and his operations and movements and so forth.
Now, I believe you are appearing here by virtue of a telephone call asking you to come, is that correct?

Mr. Paul.

Today?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Paul.

Yes; for today-on Friday.

Mr. Hubert.

You were called on Friday to appear here today?

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You received no letter?

Mr. Paul.

Yes; today.

Mr. Hubert.

That letter was received today?

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

That was a letter from Mr. Rankin, was it?

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, .Under the rules adopted by the Commission every witness has the right to a 3-day notice, actually dated from the date of the notice, but in any case, the rules do provide that any witness may waive that 3-day written notice, and I ask you now if you are going to waive the 3-day written notice and proceed to testify now, today ?

Mr. Paul.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you rise and let me administer the oath.