And except for my now uttering it, you have been wholly unaware of it?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Wholly unaware of it. Totally unaware of that, never heard of that. What we learned, at that period---that she had her child christened in the Greek Orthodox Church against Oswald's strong objections.

Mr. Jenner.

Were you personally aware of those objections?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No. I just heard that he objected to Marina doing it--and she took the child to church anyway and had the child christened. But I do not recall the circumstances. Somebody told me that.

Mr. Jenner.

But you are unaware of any discussion of her returning to Russia in the spring or late winter of 1962--1963, that winter?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

Mr. Jenner.

And she never appealed to you that he was forcing her to make application to the Russian Embassy?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I do not recall anything of that kind.

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. De Mohrenschildt, it appears to be the consensus in that Russian colony, that community, that. Oswald reached a point where he resented all the people other than you; that he had a liking for you.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, I explained to you that I do not know whether he had a liking or not.

Mr. Jenner.

Or respect, or something.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I treated him nicely. My wife treated them like human beings, disregarding their bad qualities. Because that is our way of treating poor people. My philosophy is--you may object to that--but my philosophy is not to bend in front of the strong and be very nice to the poor---as nice as I can. And they were very miserable, lost, penniless, mixed up. So as much as they both annoyed me, I did not show it to them because it is like insulting a beggar--you see what I mean.
Well, the other Russians obviously do not have such a charitable attitude. I do not think he has ever been, for instance--I am trying to think whether he had a resentment against all of the Russian colony or not. I would not say so. I do not know how was his attitude toward Mr. Gregory. I think they remained pretty--not close, but on speaking term's.

Mr. Jenner.

That seems to be so.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Because Mr. Gregory is a very fine person--very fine person, who is an elderly man, who is nice to a poor person.

Mr. Jenner.

Your impression is that he, to use the vernacular a little bit--he was sort of eating on himself, he wanted to amount to something, and he appeared to be unable to, and was constantly groping.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. That is his main--his makeup---trying to do something. One conversation I had with him--I asked him "Would you like to be a commissar in the United States," just teasing him. And he said--he sort of smiled--you could see that it was a delightful idea. To me it was a ridiculous question to ask. But he took me seriously. I laughed with the guy. Sometimes I would laugh, I would tease him. And it was amusing. But I tried not to offend him, because, after all, he was a human being. And in addition to that--in my case we had a point of contact which was the fact that he lived in Minsk, where I lived when I was a child also, where my father was this marshal of nobility. And later on in life I lived in Poland, very close to that area, I was interested in how the peasants were getting along, what does he find in the forest there, what kind of mushrooms you find, that type of conversation went on sometimes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he appear to have knowledge and recollection of things in which you were interested in the community, the countryside?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Very much so. That was a likable characteristic he had. For instance, he liked animals. My dog was sort of friendly with him. When he would come, my dog would not bark. He liked walking. He told me that around Minsk he used to take long walks in the forest which I thought was very fine. Those are contacts that possibly brought a certain

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