Just give me your best recollection.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is all I recall--that he said, "I have met some Communists in Japan and they got me excited and interested, and that was one of my inducements in going to Soviet Russia, to see what goes on there."

Mr. Jenner.

Did you form any opinion that this man, because of his meager boyhood, on the verge of poverty, or in poverty all during his youth and up to the time he went into the Marines at least, that he had some groping for a ready solution that would not permit that sort of thing?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Naturally. That's the whole point. I could understand his point of view, because that is what happens exactly in the whole world with dissatisfied people. If they are constructive, they study more and try to get good jobs and succeed. The other try to form a revolutionary party. And he was one of them.

Mr. Jenner.

The other try to do it overnight, by force of arms.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever discuss with him that there are many great men and women who have come from poverty?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Oh, yes. You could not discuss it with Oswald because he knew it all.

Mr. Jenner.

He always knew what the answer was.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. He always knew what the answer was. And possibly that is why he was clinging to us, to my wife and me, because we did not discuss it with them, because we did not give a damn. After we found out what was going on in that town of Minsk, what was the situation, what were the food prices, how they dressed, how they spent their evenings, which are things interesting to us, our interest waned. The rest of the time, the few times we saw Lee Oswald and Marina afterwards, was purely to give a gift, to take them to a party, because we thought they were dying of boredom, you see---which Marina was.

Mr. Jenner.

She was?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. She was, because he never would take her any place. That was the reason we invited them twice once to a party at Declan Ford's--and that was, I think, a Christmas party. And another time a party at Everett Glover's, where I was showing my movie to the whole group. Because I thought they would be exceedingly--Marina was dying of boredom there.

Mr. Jenner.

Let me get to that party at Declan Ford's. That was--was that a New Year's Day or New Year's Eve party?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I think it was right at Christmas or New Year's Eve.

Mr. Jenner.

The party went on for a couple of days, didn't it?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. A couple of days?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I did not know that the party ran for a couple of days. But we arrived at 9 o'clock and left around 1 or 2, and it was still going strong.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, I suppose when a witness said it lasted a couple of days, maybe the witness was thinking it started in the early evening of one day and did not end until well into the next day.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; it was not any of those wild parties. It was a very friendly, very good party.

Mr. Jenner.

I'm not suggesting the party was wild. There is no intimation of that.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No on the contrary, they are very hospitable people invited, and always had a congenial crowd there. And that is why we suggested, let's bring that miserable Marina and Oswald there, so they would meet some people. And I think if people continued doing that, if people did that, maybe this tragedy might not have occurred.

Mr. Jenner.

Or it might have become worse his resentment.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Maybe so.

Mr. Jenner.

Did Marina smoke?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Oh, boy, this is an interesting question. She

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